When looking at a VOR navaid box on an enroute chart, and it says the
FSS station frequency on top of the box, such as 122.1R, does that
mean receive only for them on that frequency or receive only for the
pilot? Does the pilot listen on the VOR and transmit on 122.1
(receive only for them)?

Also, it says the FSS name below and outside the navaid box, with the
L-shaped sides. After reading the chart symbols, it says this is
remoted to a navaid site, does that mean to that VOR it's associated
with? I'm looking at L-2 by Sacramento (Rancho FSS)...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kevmor ]
> Posted At: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:02 PM
> Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
> Conversation: FSS on IFR Enroute charts
> Subject: FSS on IFR Enroute charts
>
> When looking at a VOR navaid box on an enroute chart, and it says the
> FSS station frequency on top of the box, such as 122.1R, does that
> mean receive only for them on that frequency or receive only for the
> pilot? Does the pilot listen on the VOR and transmit on 122.1
> (receive only for them)?
>
> Also, it says the FSS name below and outside the navaid box, with the
> L-shaped sides. After reading the chart symbols, it says this is
> remoted to a navaid site, does that mean to that VOR it's associated
> with? I'm looking at L-2 by Sacramento (Rancho FSS)...

It means the same as when you see it on the VFR charts

In a previous article, "kevmor" > said:
>When looking at a VOR navaid box on an enroute chart, and it says the
>FSS station frequency on top of the box, such as 122.1R, does that
>mean receive only for them on that frequency or receive only for the
>pilot? Does the pilot listen on the VOR and transmit on 122.1
>(receive only for them)?

Those indications are relative to the guys who own it, ie them not us.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
Hogshead now has a stated policy of Not Doing Business With ****wits, which
has saved me enormous amounts of heartache over the last few months.
I recommend it. -- James Wallis, Hogshead Publishing

So it means they receive on the frequency with the R and I'd listen
over the VOR?

Also, in the ARTCC blue boxes, it has all capitals of the center name,
and then is that the city name below it? Why put the city name?

On Jan 29, 3:11 pm, "Jim Carter" > wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kevmor ]
> > Posted At: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:02 PM
> > Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
> > Conversation: FSS on IFR Enroute charts
> > Subject: FSS on IFR Enroute charts
>
> > When looking at a VOR navaid box on an enroute chart, and it says the
> > FSS station frequency on top of the box, such as 122.1R, does that
> > mean receive only for them on that frequency or receive only for the
> > pilot? Does the pilot listen on the VOR and transmit on 122.1
> > (receive only for them)?
>
> > Also, it says the FSS name below and outside the navaid box, with the
> > L-shaped sides. After reading the chart symbols, it says this is
> > remoted to a navaid site, does that mean to that VOR it's associated
> > with? I'm looking at L-2 by Sacramento (Rancho FSS)...It means the same as when you see it on the VFR charts

On 01/29/07 15:23, kevmor wrote:
> So it means they receive on the frequency with the R and I'd listen
> over the VOR?

That's right.

Note that you still have the "general" FSS frequencies, which they don't
print on the charts (because they are basically available everywhere).

>
> Also, in the ARTCC blue boxes, it has all capitals of the center name,
> and then is that the city name below it? Why put the city name?

In addition to the other responses you'll get here, the enroute charts
have a user's guide (along with what is printed on the chart margins).

Have a look here:

<http://naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/aero_guide>

You can order the book, or download the desired PDF file(s).


>
> On Jan 29, 3:11 pm, "Jim Carter" > wrote:
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: kevmor ]
>> > Posted At: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:02 PM
>> > Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
>> > Conversation: FSS on IFR Enroute charts
>> > Subject: FSS on IFR Enroute charts
>>
>> > When looking at a VOR navaid box on an enroute chart, and it says the
>> > FSS station frequency on top of the box, such as 122.1R, does that
>> > mean receive only for them on that frequency or receive only for the
>> > pilot? Does the pilot listen on the VOR and transmit on 122.1
>> > (receive only for them)?
>>
>> > Also, it says the FSS name below and outside the navaid box, with the
>> > L-shaped sides. After reading the chart symbols, it says this is
>> > remoted to a navaid site, does that mean to that VOR it's associated
>> > with? I'm looking at L-2 by Sacramento (Rancho FSS)...It means the same as when you see it on the VFR charts
>



--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

Thanks all, yeah I'm currently looking over that user's guide.

On Jan 29, 3:34 pm, Mark Hansen > wrote:
> On 01/29/07 15:23, kevmor wrote:
>
> > So it means they receive on the frequency with the R and I'd listen
> > over the VOR?That's right.
>
> Note that you still have the "general" FSS frequencies, which they don't
> print on the charts (because they are basically available everywhere).
>
>
>
> > Also, in the ARTCC blue boxes, it has all capitals of the center name,
> > and then is that the city name below it? Why put the city name?In addition to the other responses you'll get here, the enroute charts
> have a user's guide (along with what is printed on the chart margins).
>
> Have a look here:
>
> <http://naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/aero_guide>
>
> You can order the book, or download the desired PDF file(s).
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 3:11 pm, "Jim Carter" > wrote:
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: kevmor ]
> >> > Posted At: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:02 PM
> >> > Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
> >> > Conversation: FSS on IFR Enroute charts
> >> > Subject: FSS on IFR Enroute charts
>
> >> > When looking at a VOR navaid box on an enroute chart, and it says the
> >> > FSS station frequency on top of the box, such as 122.1R, does that
> >> > mean receive only for them on that frequency or receive only for the
> >> > pilot? Does the pilot listen on the VOR and transmit on 122.1
> >> > (receive only for them)?
>
> >> > Also, it says the FSS name below and outside the navaid box, with the
> >> > L-shaped sides. After reading the chart symbols, it says this is
> >> > remoted to a navaid site, does that mean to that VOR it's associated
> >> > with? I'm looking at L-2 by Sacramento (Rancho FSS)...It means the same as when you see it on the VFR charts--
> Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
> Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
> Sacramento, CA

Look at the legend panel on the sectional. It says "R - Receive only." Also,
read the legend pages in any Airport Facilities Directory under the heading
"Communications," It's amazing what you can learn by reading legend pages.
The AS/FD answers your question by saying "122.1 is the primary receive-only
frequency at VORs. 122.05, 122.15, and 123.6 are assigned at selected VORs
meeting certain criteria." (No word on what those criteria are.)

Bob Gardner



"kevmor" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> When looking at a VOR navaid box on an enroute chart, and it says the
> FSS station frequency on top of the box, such as 122.1R, does that
> mean receive only for them on that frequency or receive only for the
> pilot? Does the pilot listen on the VOR and transmit on 122.1
> (receive only for them)?
>
> Also, it says the FSS name below and outside the navaid box, with the
> L-shaped sides. After reading the chart symbols, it says this is
> remoted to a navaid site, does that mean to that VOR it's associated
> with? I'm looking at L-2 by Sacramento (Rancho FSS)...
>

On 01/29/07 15:42, kevmor wrote:
> Thanks all, yeah I'm currently looking over that user's guide.

It seems rather ridiculous at first. Who could remember all that?!?

But in reality, once you've read through it, you'll remember that a
particular symbol or way of writing information on the chart was
described and you'll know where to look it up.

It can be a pretty dry read, though, that's for sure ;-\

--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

All true, except that none of those references actually specify that
it's the FSS that receives on that frequency rather than the pilot.
It may be obvious once you know it, but until then it is a question
almost every pilot faces-- hopefully not at the instant that he really
needs to know it, because at that point it's almost impossible to find
it!

On Jan 29, 5:52 pm, "Bob Gardner" > wrote:
> Look at the legend panel on the sectional. It says "R - Receive only." Also,
> read the legend pages in any Airport Facilities Directory under the heading
> "Communications," It's amazing what you can learn by reading legend pages.
> The AS/FD answers your question by saying "122.1 is the primary receive-only
> frequency at VORs. 122.05, 122.15, and 123.6 are assigned at selected VORs
> meeting certain criteria." (No word on what those criteria are.)
>
> Bob Gardner
>
> "kevmor" > wrote in oglegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > When looking at a VOR navaid box on an enroute chart, and it says the
> > FSS station frequency on top of the box, such as 122.1R, does that
> > mean receive only for them on that frequency or receive only for the
> > pilot? Does the pilot listen on the VOR and transmit on 122.1
> > (receive only for them)?
>
> > Also, it says the FSS name below and outside the navaid box, with the
> > L-shaped sides. After reading the chart symbols, it says this is
> > remoted to a navaid site, does that mean to that VOR it's associated
> > with? I'm looking at L-2 by Sacramento (Rancho FSS)...- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Aw c'mon, John. The book is the Airport/Facility Directory, and a VOR is a
facility. It clearly says that 122.1 is the primary receive-only freq at
VORs. How could anyone interpret that to mean that the pilot receives on
122.1?

Bob

"John Clonts" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> All true, except that none of those references actually specify that
> it's the FSS that receives on that frequency rather than the pilot.
> It may be obvious once you know it, but until then it is a question
> almost every pilot faces-- hopefully not at the instant that he really
> needs to know it, because at that point it's almost impossible to find
> it!
>
> On Jan 29, 5:52 pm, "Bob Gardner" > wrote:
>> Look at the legend panel on the sectional. It says "R - Receive only."
>> Also,
>> read the legend pages in any Airport Facilities Directory under the
>> heading
>> "Communications," It's amazing what you can learn by reading legend
>> pages.
>> The AS/FD answers your question by saying "122.1 is the primary
>> receive-only
>> frequency at VORs. 122.05, 122.15, and 123.6 are assigned at selected
>> VORs
>> meeting certain criteria." (No word on what those criteria are.)
>>
>> Bob Gardner
>>
>> "kevmor" > wrote in
>> oglegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > When looking at a VOR navaid box on an enroute chart, and it says the
>> > FSS station frequency on top of the box, such as 122.1R, does that
>> > mean receive only for them on that frequency or receive only for the
>> > pilot? Does the pilot listen on the VOR and transmit on 122.1
>> > (receive only for them)?
>>
>> > Also, it says the FSS name below and outside the navaid box, with the
>> > L-shaped sides. After reading the chart symbols, it says this is
>> > remoted to a navaid site, does that mean to that VOR it's associated
>> > with? I'm looking at L-2 by Sacramento (Rancho FSS)...- Hide quoted
>> > text -- Show quoted text -
>

You're saying that because the book is OF facilities, it's expressed
from the facility's point of view. But the other possibility would be
that because the book is FOR pilots, it is expressed from the pilot's
point of view. At least that was my thinking 25 years ago as a
student pilot, but maybe I'm denser than most :)

Cheers,
John

On Jan 30, 11:45 am, "Bob Gardner" > wrote:
> Aw c'mon, John. The book is the Airport/Facility Directory, and a VOR is a
> facility. It clearly says that 122.1 is the primary receive-only freq at
> VORs. How could anyone interpret that to mean that the pilot receives on
> 122.1?
>
> Bob
>
> "John Clonts" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
> > All true, except that none of those references actually specify that
> > it's the FSS that receives on that frequency rather than the pilot.
> > It may be obvious once you know it, but until then it is a question
> > almost every pilot faces-- hopefully not at the instant that he really
> > needs to know it, because at that point it's almost impossible to find
> > it!
>
> > On Jan 29, 5:52 pm, "Bob Gardner" > wrote:
> >> Look at the legend panel on the sectional. It says "R - Receive only."
> >> Also,
> >> read the legend pages in any Airport Facilities Directory under the
> >> heading
> >> "Communications," It's amazing what you can learn by reading legend
> >> pages.
> >> The AS/FD answers your question by saying "122.1 is the primary
> >> receive-only
> >> frequency at VORs. 122.05, 122.15, and 123.6 are assigned at selected
> >> VORs
> >> meeting certain criteria." (No word on what those criteria are.)
>
> >> Bob Gardner
>
> >> "kevmor" > wrote in
> >> oglegroups.com...
>
> >> > When looking at a VOR navaid box on an enroute chart, and it says the
> >> > FSS station frequency on top of the box, such as 122.1R, does that
> >> > mean receive only for them on that frequency or receive only for the
> >> > pilot? Does the pilot listen on the VOR and transmit on 122.1
> >> > (receive only for them)?
>
> >> > Also, it says the FSS name below and outside the navaid box, with the
> >> > L-shaped sides. After reading the chart symbols, it says this is
> >> > remoted to a navaid site, does that mean to that VOR it's associated
> >> > with? I'm looking at L-2 by Sacramento (Rancho FSS)...- Hide quoted
> >> > text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

John Clonts wrote:

>>
>>>When looking at a VOR navaid box on an enroute chart, and it says the
>>>FSS station frequency on top of the box, such as 122.1R, does that
>>>mean receive only for them on that frequency or receive only for the
>>>pilot? Does the pilot listen on the VOR and transmit on 122.1
>>>(receive only for them)?
>>

It becomes pretty obvious when you consider the equipment in the
airplane: The VOR receiver in the airplane receives in the range of
108.00 to 123.95 and there is nothing in the airplane that transmits on
those frequencies. I.e. you cannot transmit on a VOR frequency. Think
about it: if you could, it would disrupt the NAV for other aircraft.

Ray Andraka wrote
> It becomes pretty obvious when you consider the equipment in the
> airplane: The VOR receiver in the airplane receives in the range of
> 108.00 to 123.95 and there is nothing in the airplane that transmits on
> those frequencies. I.e. you cannot transmit on a VOR frequency. Think
> about it: if you could, it would disrupt the NAV for other aircraft.

The VOR frequency range is 108.0 mhz to 117.95 mhz. My VHF transmitter
will certainly transmit on frequencies between 118.0 mhz and 135.95.

Bob Moore
ATP CFI

"John Clonts" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> All true, except that none of those references actually specify that
> it's the FSS that receives on that frequency rather than the pilot.
> It may be obvious once you know it, but until then it is a question
> almost every pilot faces-- hopefully not at the instant that he really
> needs to know it, because at that point it's almost impossible to find
> it!
>

Do they actually have to say it? The A/FD says, "122.1 is the primary
receive-only frequency at VOR's." If you're trying to communicate with FSS
through a VOR, are you going to receive on the VOR frequency and transmit on
122.1, or are you going to receive on 122.1 and transmit on the VOR
frequency?

On Jan 30, 7:08 am, "John Clonts" > wrote:
> All true, except that none of those references actually specify that
> it's the FSS that receives on that frequency rather than the pilot.
> It may be obvious once you know it, but until then it is a question
> almost every pilot faces-- hopefully not at the instant that he really
> needs to know it, because at that point it's almost impossible to find
> it!

You'll figure it out when you try to tune the VOR freq on your comm
radio.

-Robert

John Clonts wrote:
> All true, except that none of those references actually specify that
> it's the FSS that receives on that frequency rather than the pilot.
> It may be obvious once you know it, but until then it is a question
> almost every pilot faces-- hopefully not at the instant that he really
> needs to know it, because at that point it's almost impossible to find
> it!
>
>I just looked at BTY VOR in a remote area of western Nevada. The
frequency is 114.7. Over the primary box is "122.1R." How could that
be confusing for a properly trained student pilot?

"Sam Spade" > wrote in message ...
>
>I just looked at BTY VOR in a remote area of western Nevada. The
> frequency is 114.7. Over the primary box is "122.1R." How could that
> be confusing for a properly trained student pilot?

Ummm... Never underestimate a student pilot? :-)

Ray Andraka wrote:

> John Clonts wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> When looking at a VOR navaid box on an enroute chart, and it says the
>>>> FSS station frequency on top of the box, such as 122.1R, does that
>>>> mean receive only for them on that frequency or receive only for the
>>>> pilot? Does the pilot listen on the VOR and transmit on 122.1
>>>> (receive only for them)?
>>>
>>>
>
> It becomes pretty obvious when you consider the equipment in the
> airplane: The VOR receiver in the airplane receives in the range of
> 108.00 to 123.95 and there is nothing in the airplane that transmits on
> those frequencies. I.e. you cannot transmit on a VOR frequency. Think
> about it: if you could, it would disrupt the NAV for other aircraft.

My bad, that should have been 108.00 to 117.95. The VHF radios go from
118.00 to 135.95

I have to admit that the charting confused me at first, too. Once I had it
figured out, there's an easy way to remember it. The charts are done by the
government. Who do think they care about more, them or us? Of course it's
where *they* receive.

"Bob Gardner" > wrote in message
. ..
> Aw c'mon, John. The book is the Airport/Facility Directory, and a VOR is a
> facility. It clearly says that 122.1 is the primary receive-only freq at
> VORs. How could anyone interpret that to mean that the pilot receives on
> 122.1?
>
> Bob
>
> "John Clonts" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> All true, except that none of those references actually specify that
>> it's the FSS that receives on that frequency rather than the pilot.
>> It may be obvious once you know it, but until then it is a question
>> almost every pilot faces-- hopefully not at the instant that he really
>> needs to know it, because at that point it's almost impossible to find
>> it!
>>
>> On Jan 29, 5:52 pm, "Bob Gardner" > wrote:
>>> Look at the legend panel on the sectional. It says "R - Receive only."
>>> Also,
>>> read the legend pages in any Airport Facilities Directory under the
>>> heading
>>> "Communications," It's amazing what you can learn by reading legend
>>> pages.
>>> The AS/FD answers your question by saying "122.1 is the primary
>>> receive-only
>>> frequency at VORs. 122.05, 122.15, and 123.6 are assigned at selected
>>> VORs
>>> meeting certain criteria." (No word on what those criteria are.)
>>>
>>> Bob Gardner
>>>
>>> "kevmor" > wrote in
>>> oglegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > When looking at a VOR navaid box on an enroute chart, and it says the
>>> > FSS station frequency on top of the box, such as 122.1R, does that
>>> > mean receive only for them on that frequency or receive only for the
>>> > pilot? Does the pilot listen on the VOR and transmit on 122.1
>>> > (receive only for them)?
>>>
>>> > Also, it says the FSS name below and outside the navaid box, with the
>>> > L-shaped sides. After reading the chart symbols, it says this is
>>> > remoted to a navaid site, does that mean to that VOR it's associated
>>> > with? I'm looking at L-2 by Sacramento (Rancho FSS)...- Hide quoted
>>> > text -- Show quoted text -
>>
>
>

On Feb 1, 11:58 am, Sam Spade > wrote:
> John Clonts wrote:
> > All true, except that none of those references actually specify that
> > it's the FSS that receives on that frequency rather than the pilot.
> > It may be obvious once you know it, but until then it is a question
> > almost every pilot faces-- hopefully not at the instant that he really
> > needs to know it, because at that point it's almost impossible to find
> > it!
>
> >I just looked at BTY VOR in a remote area of western Nevada. The
>
> frequency is 114.7. Over the primary box is "122.1R." How could that
> be confusing for a properly trained student pilot?

I guess it depends on who is "Receiving" the pilot or FSS. In anycase,
the comm radio won't reach 114.7 so the pilot will likely figure that
something is wrong.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> On Feb 1, 11:58 am, Sam Spade > wrote:
>
>>John Clonts wrote:
>>
>>>All true, except that none of those references actually specify that
>>>it's the FSS that receives on that frequency rather than the pilot.
>>>It may be obvious once you know it, but until then it is a question
>>>almost every pilot faces-- hopefully not at the instant that he really
>>>needs to know it, because at that point it's almost impossible to find
>>>it!
>>
>>>I just looked at BTY VOR in a remote area of western Nevada. The
>>
>>frequency is 114.7. Over the primary box is "122.1R." How could that
>>be confusing for a properly trained student pilot?
>
>
> I guess it depends on who is "Receiving" the pilot or FSS. In anycase,
> the comm radio won't reach 114.7 so the pilot will likely figure that
> something is wrong.
>
> -Robert
>
If it had a graphic of me on the chart instead of the VOR then it could
be confusing. ;-)